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Re: new golden age

Postby Numenor » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:17 pm

Kage72 wrote:It's a Family tale that was a lie. He really should checked his facts before making such a claim.

He definetly has better things to do. It's about as important as the market value of Palins clothes.
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Re: new golden age

Postby SilentRain » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:27 am

There is nothing new in Kage's angle that I haven't heard about, but the things he said meant, to me, that I should support Obama instead of McCain.

McCain is patriotic, decisive, and takes tough stances when it comes to foreign policies, and Obama is comparably soft. It means McCain will very likely start a war if provoked where Obama might be pushed around. And I think it's more important to preserver and conserve our strength than to fight every little fly that gets into our way.

I think the most important trait in a president is the willingness to listen to everyone and the ability to work with everyone. McCain camp alienated themselves from Muslim supports while Obama campaigns to every group, that's a reason to support Obama.

McCain experience means he will continue the policies of Bush administration, and his senate voting record supports that. Despite how McCain claim he's not Bush, his platforms and views showed that he'll do no different. On the other hand, Obama camp is campaigning on change, and I want change.

The economy is a key issue, and I'm indifferent between McCain and Obama. Obama may be socialist, but withdrawing from Iraq will save us enough for him to spend. McCain may have promised to cut tax, but I don't see how cutting tax and fighting wars will do us any good (just look at our national debt, either we or our children will have to pay that off or default).

As for other things, it's just petty details I don't know why anyone would vote based on that.
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Re: new golden age

Postby Kage72 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:17 pm

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Kage72 wrote:It's a Family tale that was a lie. He really should checked his facts before making such a claim.

He definetly has better things to do. It's about as important as the market value of Palins clothes.


Wow, you say talking at a memorial about a lie that makes you look good is the same as a Republican budget for clothing? He has better things to do than verify what he says?
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Re: new golden age

Postby Kage72 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:30 pm

SilentRain wrote:There is nothing new in Kage's angle that I haven't heard about, but the things he said meant, to me, that I should support Obama instead of McCain.

McCain is patriotic, decisive, and takes tough stances when it comes to foreign policies, and Obama is comparably soft. It means McCain will very likely start a war if provoked where Obama might be pushed around. And I think it's more important to preserver and conserve our strength than to fight every little fly that gets into our way.

I think the most important trait in a president is the willingness to listen to everyone and the ability to work with everyone. McCain camp alienated themselves from Muslim supports while Obama campaigns to every group, that's a reason to support Obama.

McCain experience means he will continue the policies of Bush administration, and his senate voting record supports that. Despite how McCain claim he's not Bush, his platforms and views showed that he'll do no different. On the other hand, Obama camp is campaigning on change, and I want change.

The economy is a key issue, and I'm indifferent between McCain and Obama. Obama may be socialist, but withdrawing from Iraq will save us enough for him to spend. McCain may have promised to cut tax, but I don't see how cutting tax and fighting wars will do us any good (just look at our national debt, either we or our children will have to pay that off or default).

As for other things, it's just petty details I don't know why anyone would vote based on that.


Not sure how McCain alienates himself to Muslims. By being a supporter of Israel? The main thing about Obama was that he said he would talk with these fanatics without precondition. Which is basically giving in to terrorism. What are you gonna say to somebody that states "The holocaust never happened and that Isreal should be wiped off the map"?. You think you can change their mind with promises or money? It's a scary thought that there are people like this leading countries. Perhaps Obama thinks he knows the magic words. Is it idealistic, niave and/or arrogant? Who can know for sure. All we can do is "try" to gauge a response on what history has shown us.
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Re: new golden age

Postby Numenor » Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:39 pm

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Numenor wrote:
Kage72 wrote:It's a Family tale that was a lie. He really should checked his facts before making such a claim.

He definetly has better things to do. It's about as important as the market value of Palins clothes.


Wow, you say talking at a memorial about a lie that makes you look good is the same as a Republican budget for clothing? He has better things to do than verify what he says?


Unimportant details can be researched by Fox news. I don't think he lied, I think he believed what he was saying. Anyway, don't you say it is a difficult time? And then you want your future president waste time on this? Also, it's not just about a budget. Palin claimed to be a hockeymom, given the clothing she choosed that was also a lie. And yes, that also shouldn't matter.

Lets face it, McCain made three big mistakes

1. Choosed Palin as his VP candidate. Totally destroyed his experience argument. Even Republicans critized Palins lack of experience (Powell, etc.).

2. Didn't counter the "your economic policies are like those of bush" argument in time, which showed the bad judgement of his advisors on the economy. When the economic crisis hit, it was basically game over.

3. Used lots of fear mongering, hate calls, etc. in his campaign. That might work when everything is milk and honey, but in difficult times that's not enough.

But even if Mccain hadn't made these mistakes I doubt he would have won.
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Re: new golden age

Postby Kage72 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:37 am

Numenor wrote:He definetly has better things to do. It's about as important as the market value of Palins clothes.

Wow, you say talking at a memorial about a lie that makes you look good is the same as a Republican budget for clothing? He has better things to do than verify what he says?

Unimportant details can be researched by Fox news. I don't think he lied, I think he believed what he was saying. Anyway, don't you say it is a difficult time? And then you want your future president waste time on this? Also, it's not just about a budget. Palin claimed to be a hockeymom, given the clothing she choosed that was also a lie. And yes, that also shouldn't matter.

Lets face it, McCain made three big mistakes:

1. Choosed Palin as his VP candidate. Totally destroyed his experience argument. Even Republicans critized Palins lack of experience (Powell, etc.).

2. Didn't counter the "your economic policies are like those of bush" argument in time, which showed the bad judgement of his advisors on the economy. When the economic crisis hit, it was basically game over.

3. Used lots of fear mongering, hate calls, etc. in his campaign. That might work when everything is milk and honey, but in difficult times that's not enough.


Your out there, man. :) 1st off, McCain didn't bring out the lie. 2nd, Palin didn't pick out the wardrobe. They picked out what they wanted her to wear.

3 mistakes, huh:

1.People criticized her because she was not in the Washington insider circle. But, for the millionth time... SHE had more experience than Obama himself. The highest approval rating of any Governor.
2.Do you even know anything about economics? I suppoed your one of those that blindly blames the Republicans for the financial mess were in. When it was the Democrats forcing looser loan standards which caused all the housing problems. Well, when the problem got huge... McCain postponed his campaign to fly to Washington to try to fix. Obama just said, "Call me if you need me". There's a leader for ya, lol. Kinda hard to get blamed for decisions when you don't make any.
3.I honestly have to ask myself wether you even watched coverage of Obama himself. He spent more time trying to make the Bush/McCain association as McCain made about his. It was mostly Fox's Hannity and a few others trying to get out Obama associations since no newspaper was. I have been looking over more Obama footage now that the election is over and was shocked by his campaign speeches. He played more blame game than anybody! But, I guess HIS accusations were justified in your mind, huh?
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Re: new golden age

Postby Numenor » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:36 pm

1 If Alaskans like Palin it is their business. That's no indicator for experience. Obama is also more popular than Mccain, so he is also more experienced? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrBZo4Zrhqk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpYnGPbMbDc

2 Mccains "judgement" on the economy in april.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SML_UTtBGVI

3 Any statistics will show you that Mccain camp used more negative ads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnj3DqrV ... re=related
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Re: new golden age

Postby SilentRain » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:04 pm

Kage72 wrote:1.People criticized her because she was not in the Washington insider circle. But, for the millionth time... SHE had more experience than Obama himself. The highest approval rating of any Governor.
2.Do you even know anything about economics? I suppoed your one of those that blindly blames the Republicans for the financial mess were in. When it was the Democrats forcing looser loan standards which caused all the housing problems. Well, when the problem got huge... McCain postponed his campaign to fly to Washington to try to fix. Obama just said, "Call me if you need me". There's a leader for ya, lol. Kinda hard to get blamed for decisions when you don't make any.
3.I honestly have to ask myself wether you even watched coverage of Obama himself. He spent more time trying to make the Bush/McCain association as McCain made about his. It was mostly Fox's Hannity and a few others trying to get out Obama associations since no newspaper was. I have been looking over more Obama footage now that the election is over and was shocked by his campaign speeches. He played more blame game than anybody! But, I guess HIS accusations were justified in your mind, huh?

1. Couldn't careless either way.

2. They can push the blames for the financial mess around, but Bush administration did start two wars and cut tax at the same time leading to the current nation debt figures.

3. I find Bush/McCain association more relevant than Obama/whoever association in the position they are running for.
- Bush/McCain association meant McCain will continue Bush administration's policies if he's elected, and if a president's policies is not relevant in an election then I don't know what anyone is voting for.
- Obama/whoever association just attempt to portray Obama as questionable character, and what it comes down to is that McCain administration's attempt simply failed. At the end of it, I question McCain camp's competence more than I question Obama's character based on all the evidences McCain camp has found.

Even if Obama has a close relationship with Bill Ayers, I'd rather support the devil that do the right thing over the saint that do all the wrong things. It's an election to decide who receive the highest executive power, not who is the most admirable character. And the rest of the country certainly has enough power to stop a president from committing a heinous crime.

On the other hand, one err judgment and unwillingness to listen will lead a country down the path of destruction (just look at the efforts we are putting into these two wars and what we are getting out of it).
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Re: new golden age

Postby Kage72 » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:43 am

Numenor wrote:1 If Alaskans like Palin it is their business. That's no indicator for experience. Obama is also more popular than Mccain, so he is also more experienced? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrBZo4Zrhqk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpYnGPbMbDc

2 Mccains "judgement" on the economy in april.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SML_UTtBGVI

3 Any statistics will show you that Mccain camp used more negative ads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnj3DqrV ... re=related


Don't try to compare political popularity while running a state to celebrity popularity. Why wouldn't Alaskan's opinion matter about the person running their state? Aren't they Americans? Or, just HillBillies like Palin that have no place in your U.S.?
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Re: new golden age

Postby Kage72 » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:50 am

SilentRain wrote:
Kage72 wrote:1.People criticized her because she was not in the Washington insider circle. But, for the millionth time... SHE had more experience than Obama himself. The highest approval rating of any Governor.
2.Do you even know anything about economics? I suppoed your one of those that blindly blames the Republicans for the financial mess were in. When it was the Democrats forcing looser loan standards which caused all the housing problems. Well, when the problem got huge... McCain postponed his campaign to fly to Washington to try to fix. Obama just said, "Call me if you need me". There's a leader for ya, lol. Kinda hard to get blamed for decisions when you don't make any.
3.I honestly have to ask myself wether you even watched coverage of Obama himself. He spent more time trying to make the Bush/McCain association as McCain made about his. It was mostly Fox's Hannity and a few others trying to get out Obama associations since no newspaper was. I have been looking over more Obama footage now that the election is over and was shocked by his campaign speeches. He played more blame game than anybody! But, I guess HIS accusations were justified in your mind, huh?

1. Couldn't careless either way.

2. They can push the blames for the financial mess around, but Bush administration did start two wars and cut tax at the same time leading to the current nation debt figures.

3. I find Bush/McCain association more relevant than Obama/whoever association in the position they are running for.
- Bush/McCain association meant McCain will continue Bush administration's policies if he's elected, and if a president's policies is not relevant in an election then I don't know what anyone is voting for.
- Obama/whoever association just attempt to portray Obama as questionable character, and what it comes down to is that McCain administration's attempt simply failed. At the end of it, I question McCain camp's competence more than I question Obama's character based on all the evidences McCain camp has found.

Even if Obama has a close relationship with Bill Ayers, I'd rather support the devil that do the right thing over the saint that do all the wrong things. It's an election to decide who receive the highest executive power, not who is the most admirable character. And the rest of the country certainly has enough power to stop a president from committing a heinous crime.

On the other hand, one err judgment and unwillingness to listen will lead a country down the path of destruction (just look at the efforts we are putting into these two wars and what we are getting out of it).


1.Why not? Because you like the other side anyways and could care less?
2.Ahh, you must mean the war the every damn American wanted after 9/11. Then, after their nerves cooled, people starting pretending they didn't. Still, nothing to do with McCain.
3.He was in the same party as the guy. Of course they made alot of agreements on issues. More relevant? Wow! Some guy blows up buildings is the same as associations to the president of the U.S. You know what? It's obvious your hatred for Bush is what has driven your decision making. Shoot, I don't like Bush either. I think he's a friggen idiot!! But, McCain is no Bush!!
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Re: new golden age

Postby Numenor » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:49 am

Kage72 wrote:Don't try to compare political popularity while running a state to celebrity popularity. Why wouldn't Alaskan's opinion matter about the person running their state? Aren't they Americans? Or, just HillBillies like Palin that have no place in your U.S.?


Obama has more political popularity than Palin.
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Re: new golden age

Postby SilentRain » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:23 pm

Kage72 wrote:1.Why not? Because you like the other side anyways and could care less?
2.Ahh, you must mean the war the every damn American wanted after 9/11. Then, after their nerves cooled, people starting pretending they didn't. Still, nothing to do with McCain.
3.He was in the same party as the guy. Of course they made alot of agreements on issues. More relevant? Wow! Some guy blows up buildings is the same as associations to the president of the U.S. You know what? It's obvious your hatred for Bush is what has driven your decision making. Shoot, I don't like Bush either. I think he's a friggen idiot!! But, McCain is no Bush!!

1. What Palin does plays no role in my decision in McCain vs. Obama. I'm participating in McCain vs. Obama, not Palin vs. Obama.
2. Not every American wanted the war, my family and many of my friends strongly oppose the war before it even started.
3. I do not hate Bush, but I'm strongly oppose to the majority of policies made by the Bush administration, hence I will not support a candidate that supports those decisions and will make the same decisions given the chance. I'm fine with Obama having a terrorist associates, and I couldn't care less if McCain has terrorist associates either.

Clearly, the criterias we judge candidates are different. You support someone you like, I support someone who does things I like. What I don't understand is why you criticize other people for supporting Obama because they like Obama better when yourself supported McCain because you like McCain better.

Well, good luck convincing other adults on the forum with those childish and immature arguments because you are not going to change my mind if this is the best you can do.
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Re: new golden age

Postby SilentRain » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:38 pm

Kage72 wrote:1.Why not? Because you like the other side anyways and could care less?

Also, stop the pathetic rhetorical question. If you have the guts to accuse me of anything just come out say it like a man. Hiding behind rhetorical question and smirk remarks just portray you as the pathetic kid you are.

Rhetorical question are reserved for the witty men to intrigue other into further investigation. A kid like you using it to accuse others and to instill doubt will mislead others to think that American education system is a total failure.

Other members of different nationality on the forum, I assure that, despite your personal experiences, not all American acts and talks like Kage. Despite the stereotypes and your personal experiences (which may have enforced the stereotype), many brilliant and thoughtful minds come out of top schools in America. It's just that there's a high variance in the quality of education each American earns so the stereotype may have been a result of exposure to certain unrepresentative part of American population.
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Re: new golden age

Postby Kage72 » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:08 pm

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Kage72 wrote:1.Why not? Because you like the other side anyways and could care less?

Also, stop the pathetic rhetorical question. If you have the guts to accuse me of anything just come out say it like a man. Hiding behind rhetorical question and smirk remarks just portray you as the pathetic kid you are.

Rhetorical question are reserved for the witty men to intrigue other into further investigation. A kid like you using it to accuse others and to instill doubt will mislead others to think that American education system is a total failure.

Other members of different nationality on the forum, I assure that, despite your personal experiences, not all American acts and talks like Kage. Despite the stereotypes and your personal experiences (which may have enforced the stereotype), many brilliant and thoughtful minds come out of top schools in America. It's just that there's a high variance in the quality of education each American earns so the stereotype may have been a result of exposure to certain unrepresentative part of American population.


You have many double standards. "A kid like you". So, you can make assumptions. But, when others do, they are pathetic kids. Or, were you letting your emotions talk ahead of your brains like i sometimes do? Either way. I came to these chats amidst all the McCain/Palin bashing. But, once again. It's ok for everyone to bash the guys you don't like. Single me out as the one and only person doing this, Nice. So, whatever! You bash McCain, Cool. You try to convince of you decisions using the same associations. But, I'm the pathetic kid. So, you resort to the childish name calling. Real mature. I'm 36. I live in the U.S., and i followed the process daily. You? You don't even sound like you live here. Yet, you presume to assume your more in the know? Try to use me in a comparison for Americans? Rofl, Your are the sad person. You take personal attacks to a whole new level. But, I'm sure in your elitest mind, Your attacks are perfectly ok, rofl.
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Re: new golden age

Postby SilentRain » Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:51 pm

Kage72 wrote:You have many double standards. "A kid like you".

Yes, I do have many double standards. I talk to a kid the way I talk to a kid and I talk to an adult the way I talk to an adult. I'm surprised you seem to think this is anything worth noting. You talk like a pathetic kid so I call you a pathetic kid, and this is the best response you can come up with?

Kage72 wrote:Either way. I came to these chats amidst all the McCain/Palin bashing. But, once again. It's ok for everyone to bash the guys you don't like. Single me out as the one and only person doing this, Nice. So, whatever! You bash McCain, Cool.

No one said it's not ok to bash McCain/Palin or Obama, you just get bashed right back just like you bashing the other guys for bashing McCain/Palin and me bashing you. Where in the world have you been in the past 36 years that you don't even understand the very basics of free speech? You ain't the first 36 years old I've met that's never outgrow 13, and you won't be the last 13 years old in 36 years old's body that I treat like a 13 years old.

Kage72 wrote:You try to convince of you decisions using the same associations.

Maybe you miss the part where I said we can stop Obama when he commits heinous crimes, maybe you miss the part where I said I would still support Obama even if he has close tie to a terrorist, or maybe you miss the part that I wouldn't think less of McCain even if he has terrorist associates. I don't know how a 36 years old can miss these points while reading through what I've written but maybe this is too much to expect from the mentality of 13 years old.

The differences between the two associations, that I have explained before and will stress again, McCain has a record of voting in line with Bush 95% of the times in 2007, this is an indication that he will continue to support the policies if he gets elected. Is this the point you are disputing? Unless you are claiming McCain will all the sudden turn around and terminate those policies ( to which I will just respond b-s ) this alone outweighs many other considerations in deciding between Obama or McCain.

Obama's association with Bill Ayers (a terrorist suspect never convicted) may be questionable, but does anyone have any record of Obama committing any terrorist acts? If Obama commits a terrorist acts, we can stop him like we did at Watergate, but can we stop McCain when he continues the policies that have brought this strong economy to where it is today? And I'm not talking about the financial crisis, I'm talking about the 10 trillion nation debt for wars I've been opposed to ever since it was declared.

Kage72 wrote: Rofl, Your are the sad person.

Somehow, I'm not surprised to hear a 36 years old game-addict/forum-troll using words like "Rofl" and calling other people sad, which just goes to show how dysfunctional our society have become. You need to get away from these games, go out, meet real people, and work real jobs then maybe I will feel slight remorse for my staining my hands.

Kage72 wrote: You take personal attacks to a whole new level. But, I'm sure in your elitest mind, Your attacks are perfectly ok, rofl.

In the real America, we call this freedom of speech. If this is the best defense you can come up with, you need to learn how to properly defend yourself before you go around and make a fool out of the real Americans.
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